CD5XS + DAC Naim + Nait XS -> quelles alimentations?

[Manuking]

Bonjour la confrérie.
Je voudrais savoir en évitant un maximum les boiboite quelles alim pourraient m'upgrader tout ça?
Je compte sur vous aussi pour me dire quels cordons prendre ou savoir si il sont livrés avec... enfin faire le package alim le plus correct pour le resultat optimum... Merki et re

[franck0303]

Salut à toi,

L'XPS2 sur le DAC NAIM et plus tard la revente du NAIT XS pour un SUPERNAIT par exemple

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Franck

[Manuking]

Re,
Et pour le CD5XS... le changer....par....

[Mykeul]

Re,
Et pour le CD5XS... le changer....par....

Tu souhaites le changer ??? (ca peut m'intéresser !)
Pas besoin d'alim sur le CD, vu que tu as un DAC (alim upgrade le converto du cd)
Une ch'tite HiCap2 sur le Nait...

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Slt Manuking,

J'ai le même système que toi et je peux te dire que rapport qualité prix, c'est le top.
Je te conseillerai donc, pour ton upgrade ( C'est aussi le mien):

Alim HiCap2 ou TeddyCap3 sur le NAIT XS
XPS2 ou TeddyXPS sur le DAC NAIM
rien sur le CD5XS, le DAC est là.
Le SUPERNAIT est très différent du NAIT XS ( pas le même son )
Câble HP Naca5
Et pour finir, la cerise sur le gâteau, Hi-Line Din/Din entre le DAC et le NAIT XS

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Paul.

[Manuking]

Slt Manuking,

J'ai le même système que toi et je peux te dire que rapport qualité prix, c'est le top.
Je te conseillerai donc, pour ton upgrade ( C'est aussi le mien):

Alim HiCap2 ou TeddyCap3 sur le NAIT XS
XPS2 ou TeddyXPS sur le DAC NAIM
rien sur le CD5XS, le DAC est là.
Le SUPERNAIT est très différent du NAIT XS ( pas le même son )
Câble HP Naca5
Et pour finir, la cerise sur le gâteau, Hi-Line Din/Din entre le DAC et le NAIT XS

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Paul.

Houla tu m'interesse...
Je partirais donc sur la solution mais en Teddy car je trouve que pour les Alim Naim y va un peut fort...
Et pour le SuperNait ce sera Niet car j'aime le son de mon XS donc si il est différent : Pas Glop
Donc Teddycap 3 (faut le préciser sur la commande?) et TeddyXPS y too...
Pour le cable j'ai du MPC donc pas de Naca5 par contre est ce qu'il y a chez Teddy un substitue du HILINE de chez Naim... car c'est pareil le Hiline naim il est pas donné... . Je veux ben donner des brouzoufs mais pour les bonnes causes....

[gipath]

Hicap sur nait xs, excellent. Si tu aimes le son délivré par le NATXS, oublie le SUPERNAIT, il est trop différent, tu risque d'être déçu.

XPS sur le DAC.

Pour le lecteur ne change rien. faudra mettre beaucoup d'euros pour dépasser le couple CD5XS-nDAC.

Le HILINE c'est tout bon

Ne pas négliger la POWERLINE. Privilégier le NAITXS. A essayer sur le nDAC et les alim.

[Manuking]

Oki Doki,
Merci les Zamis
Je vous redirais pour la suite car ca s'annonce bien
Apres nouvelle Upgrade le changement du Nait XS mais par quoi...Je recompte sur vous... mais ce sera pour la fin de l'année... mais bon si je m'y prépare mentalement maintenat

[Patrick53]

Slt Manuking,

J'ai le même système que toi et je peux te dire que rapport qualité prix, c'est le top.
Je te conseillerai donc, pour ton upgrade ( C'est aussi le mien):

Alim HiCap2 ou TeddyCap3 sur le NAIT XS
XPS2 ou TeddyXPS sur le DAC NAIM
rien sur le CD5XS, le DAC est là.
Le SUPERNAIT est très différent du NAIT XS ( pas le même son )
Câble HP Naca5
Et pour finir, la cerise sur le gâteau, Hi-Line Din/Din entre le DAC et le NAIT XS

A+
Paul.

Houla tu m'interesse...
Je partirais donc sur la solution mais en Teddy car je trouve que pour les Alim Naim y va un peut fort...
Et pour le SuperNait ce sera Niet car j'aime le son de mon XS donc si il est différent : Pas Glop
Donc Teddycap 3 (faut le préciser sur la commande?) et TeddyXPS y too...
Pour le cable j'ai du MPC donc pas de Naca5 par contre est ce qu'il y a chez Teddy un substitue du HILINE de chez Naim... car c'est pareil le Hiline naim il est pas donné... . Je veux ben donner des brouzoufs mais pour les bonnes causes....

Bonsoir,

Comme câble il y a le AR Sound, que certains préfèrent au HILINE :

http://ar-sound.com/Lunar_DIN.html

[gipath]

Salut Manuking,

J'ai retrouvé ces commentaires très intéressants de la part de Norman Solomon.

J'ai eu l'occasion de discuter avec cette personne. Norman Solomon est un des deux fondateurs de la socièté uhes, spécialisée notamment, dans la vente des produits naim.

C'est en anglais, mais c'est très compréhensible, cela te donnera de bonnes indications.

N.B. : J'ai repris la partie qui concerne le CD5XS, D'où la présence de pointillés à la fin du texte.

" Having now had the new Naim DAC for almost two weeks I thought I would share some initial thoughts on something that is for me at least still very much a work in progress, it is a shame that the release has been delayed causing it’s appearance at one of the busiest times for dealers even in normal circumstances and this combined with the immanent increase in VAT to 17.5% next month has exacerbated this situation somewhat.

After allowing a few hours for the new DAC to acclimatise, always a danger of condensation when new equipment arrives in this extremely cold weather, but this gave me time to assemble all the necessary paraphernalia, just as well we had the Naim DC1 in all three versions RCA – RCA, RCA – BNC & BNC – BNC, also to hand was the CD5XS (BNC digital out), CDX2/2 (BNC digital out), HDX (RCA digital out), Linn Sneaky & Majik DS, Apple iPod, iPhone & MacBook, some Naim Powerline’s & HiLine’s and XPS2 & CD555PS.

It seemed a good idea to start off with the CD5XS, into the DAC using the Naim DC1 (BNC – BNC), it has to be said that the sound was pretty aggressive, not unlike the old CDX on acid, common with brand new Naim that is neither burnt in, run in or warmed up, but after only a few minutes it begun to improve/calm down but I could not resist a quick comparison between CD5XS & CDX2/2 and was not totally surprised that there was not much between them at this point, I thought perhaps at the very least an overnight with music running through it might provide a better opportunity to make some more meaningful comparisons.

The next day the Naim DAC was transformed but I decided to begin with a straight comparison of CD5XS versus CDX2/2, using standard mains cables & interconnects, these are after all the best 5 series and CDX variants to date and both performed extremely well through our reference system with the CDX2/2 being the clear winner, although on a personal note I do find that the CDX2/2 can tilt a little in the direction of a slightly forward presentation to achieve higher levels of detail.

Via the Naim DC1 (BNC – BNC) the new DAC was added to the CD5XS the improvement was breathtaking it brought out all of the detail whilst preserving the CD5XS units very musical sound and was a clear winner over the CDX2/2, to be fair to the CDX2/2 it does cost a little more CD5XS/DAC £3700.00, CDX2/2 £3,250.00 (VAT @ 15%), but in my view the best £450.00 extra it would be possible to invest, given the many other benefits the DAC is going to bring to future system development.

The next obvious step was to connect the DAC to the CDX2/2 once again a breathtaking improvement and slightly better than the CD5XS/DAC, in this configuration the CDX2/2 with DAC comes out at £5,200.00, £1,500.00 more than the CD5XS, not quite enough to add an XPS2 but certainly enough to add a HiLine and a Powerline to the DAC bringing the CD5XS/DAC/PowerLine/HiLine combination to £4,650.00 against the CDX2/2/DAC at £5,200.00 and now the CD5XS was the clear winner, and of course these benefits (adding HiLine & PowerLine) are shared by any other source components now running through the DAC.

Naturally the next step was to connect the CDX2/2 to the now slightly upgraded DAC and once again the CDX2/2 stamped its authority as the slightly superior combination, adding the PowerLine & HiLine to the DAC raisers the price stakes of this combination to £6,150.00 so my next experiment was to remove the PowerLine & HiLine and add an XPS2 to the CD5XS/DAC combination this being just £400.00 more at £6,550.00 and once again the CD5XS/DAC/XPS2 combination was the clear winner over the CDX2/2/DAC/Powerline/HiLine combination at £6,150.00 and a trend was beginning to emerge. Whilst in standalone operation the CDX2/2 is a superior CD player to the CD5XS the introduction into the mix of the Naim DAC has a levelling affect even though the CDX2/2 always comes out slightly ahead, that £1,500.00 price advantage that the CD5XS has though, if carefully invested in upgrades to the DAC, brings about advantages not only to the replay of CDs but of course to any other source components utilising the Naim DAC, I concluded my experiments through the following combinations:

CDX2/2/DAC/XPS2 (£8,050.00) versus CD5XS/DAC/XPS2/PowerLine/HiLine (£7,500.00)

CDX2/2/DAC/XPS2/PowerLine/HiLine (£9,000.00) versus CD5XS/DAC/CD555PS [PowerLine included]/S-XPS Burndy (£8,945.00)

CDX2/2/DAC/CD555PS [PowerLine included]/S-XPS Burndy (£10,445.00) versus CD5XS/DAC/CD555PS [PowerLine included]/S-XPS Burndy, HiLine (£9,500.00)

Up until this point the CD5XS combinations were often less expensive and yet superior, of course usually the XPS2 & CD555PS power supplies in former pre DAC days were upgrades available only to the CDX variants and would place them into a much higher league than any of the 5 series CD players adding the DAC however now makes these upgrades available to the CD5XS as well.

Having now taken the CD5XS to its current highest level of potential upgrades all that was now left to do was to connect the CDX2/2 to the fully upgraded DAC and the edge that the CDX2/2 had enjoyed throughout made it the best possible combination coming in at £11,000.00 over the CD5XS at £9,500.00.

I have gone back to this when time has permitted over the past couple of weeks and although the DAC continues to improve it has no affect upon the above results.

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I hope that’s helpful anyway

Warmest regards

Norman
Partner - UHES

[sebast80]

Slt Manuking,

J'ai le même système que toi et je peux te dire que rapport qualité prix, c'est le top.
Je te conseillerai donc, pour ton upgrade ( C'est aussi le mien):

Alim HiCap2 ou TeddyCap3 sur le NAIT XS
XPS2 ou TeddyXPS sur le DAC NAIM
rien sur le CD5XS, le DAC est là.
Le SUPERNAIT est très différent du NAIT XS ( pas le même son )
Câble HP Naca5
Et pour finir, la cerise sur le gâteau, Hi-Line Din/Din entre le DAC et le NAIT XS

A+
Paul.

Et comme mon installation se rapprochera à terme de cela, me pose une question à l'avance : faudrait un 2ème HILINE din/din entre le CD5-XS et le DAC, ou c'est une autre liaison entre eux ?

[Manuking]

Salut Manuking,

J'ai retrouvé ces commentaires très intéressants de la part de Norman Solomon.

J'ai eu l'occasion de discuter avec cette personne. Norman Solomon est un des deux fondateurs de la socièté uhes, spécialisée notamment, dans la vente des produits naim.

C'est en anglais, mais c'est très compréhensible, cela te donnera de bonnes indications.

N.B. : J'ai repris la partie qui concerne le CD5XS, D'où la présence de pointillés à la fin du texte.

" Having now had the new Naim DAC for almost two weeks I thought I would share some initial thoughts on something that is for me at least still very much a work in progress, it is a shame that the release has been delayed causing it’s appearance at one of the busiest times for dealers even in normal circumstances and this combined with the immanent increase in VAT to 17.5% next month has exacerbated this situation somewhat.

After allowing a few hours for the new DAC to acclimatise, always a danger of condensation when new equipment arrives in this extremely cold weather, but this gave me time to assemble all the necessary paraphernalia, just as well we had the Naim DC1 in all three versions RCA – RCA, RCA – BNC & BNC – BNC, also to hand was the CD5XS (BNC digital out), CDX2/2 (BNC digital out), HDX (RCA digital out), Linn Sneaky & Majik DS, Apple iPod, iPhone & MacBook, some Naim Powerline’s & HiLine’s and XPS2 & CD555PS.

It seemed a good idea to start off with the CD5XS, into the DAC using the Naim DC1 (BNC – BNC), it has to be said that the sound was pretty aggressive, not unlike the old CDX on acid, common with brand new Naim that is neither burnt in, run in or warmed up, but after only a few minutes it begun to improve/calm down but I could not resist a quick comparison between CD5XS & CDX2/2 and was not totally surprised that there was not much between them at this point, I thought perhaps at the very least an overnight with music running through it might provide a better opportunity to make some more meaningful comparisons.

The next day the Naim DAC was transformed but I decided to begin with a straight comparison of CD5XS versus CDX2/2, using standard mains cables & interconnects, these are after all the best 5 series and CDX variants to date and both performed extremely well through our reference system with the CDX2/2 being the clear winner, although on a personal note I do find that the CDX2/2 can tilt a little in the direction of a slightly forward presentation to achieve higher levels of detail.

Via the Naim DC1 (BNC – BNC) the new DAC was added to the CD5XS the improvement was breathtaking it brought out all of the detail whilst preserving the CD5XS units very musical sound and was a clear winner over the CDX2/2, to be fair to the CDX2/2 it does cost a little more CD5XS/DAC £3700.00, CDX2/2 £3,250.00 (VAT @ 15%), but in my view the best £450.00 extra it would be possible to invest, given the many other benefits the DAC is going to bring to future system development.

The next obvious step was to connect the DAC to the CDX2/2 once again a breathtaking improvement and slightly better than the CD5XS/DAC, in this configuration the CDX2/2 with DAC comes out at £5,200.00, £1,500.00 more than the CD5XS, not quite enough to add an XPS2 but certainly enough to add a HiLine and a Powerline to the DAC bringing the CD5XS/DAC/PowerLine/HiLine combination to £4,650.00 against the CDX2/2/DAC at £5,200.00 and now the CD5XS was the clear winner, and of course these benefits (adding HiLine & PowerLine) are shared by any other source components now running through the DAC.

Naturally the next step was to connect the CDX2/2 to the now slightly upgraded DAC and once again the CDX2/2 stamped its authority as the slightly superior combination, adding the PowerLine & HiLine to the DAC raisers the price stakes of this combination to £6,150.00 so my next experiment was to remove the PowerLine & HiLine and add an XPS2 to the CD5XS/DAC combination this being just £400.00 more at £6,550.00 and once again the CD5XS/DAC/XPS2 combination was the clear winner over the CDX2/2/DAC/Powerline/HiLine combination at £6,150.00 and a trend was beginning to emerge. Whilst in standalone operation the CDX2/2 is a superior CD player to the CD5XS the introduction into the mix of the Naim DAC has a levelling affect even though the CDX2/2 always comes out slightly ahead, that £1,500.00 price advantage that the CD5XS has though, if carefully invested in upgrades to the DAC, brings about advantages not only to the replay of CDs but of course to any other source components utilising the Naim DAC, I concluded my experiments through the following combinations:

CDX2/2/DAC/XPS2 (£8,050.00) versus CD5XS/DAC/XPS2/PowerLine/HiLine (£7,500.00)

CDX2/2/DAC/XPS2/PowerLine/HiLine (£9,000.00) versus CD5XS/DAC/CD555PS [PowerLine included]/S-XPS Burndy (£8,945.00)

CDX2/2/DAC/CD555PS [PowerLine included]/S-XPS Burndy (£10,445.00) versus CD5XS/DAC/CD555PS [PowerLine included]/S-XPS Burndy, HiLine (£9,500.00)

Up until this point the CD5XS combinations were often less expensive and yet superior, of course usually the XPS2 & CD555PS power supplies in former pre DAC days were upgrades available only to the CDX variants and would place them into a much higher league than any of the 5 series CD players adding the DAC however now makes these upgrades available to the CD5XS as well.

Having now taken the CD5XS to its current highest level of potential upgrades all that was now left to do was to connect the CDX2/2 to the fully upgraded DAC and the edge that the CDX2/2 had enjoyed throughout made it the best possible combination coming in at £11,000.00 over the CD5XS at £9,500.00.

I have gone back to this when time has permitted over the past couple of weeks and although the DAC continues to improve it has no affect upon the above results.

...................."

I hope that’s helpful anyway

Warmest regards

Norman
Partner - UHES

Merci Gipa...
Donc mon petit CD5XS et le reste est dans le top...
Y'a pus qu'a...
Merki

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Slt Manuking,

J'ai le même système que toi et je peux te dire que rapport qualité prix, c'est le top.
Je te conseillerai donc, pour ton upgrade ( C'est aussi le mien):

Alim HiCap2 ou TeddyCap3 sur le NAIT XS
XPS2 ou TeddyXPS sur le DAC NAIM
rien sur le CD5XS, le DAC est là.
Le SUPERNAIT est très différent du NAIT XS ( pas le même son )
Câble HP Naca5
Et pour finir, la cerise sur le gâteau, Hi-Line Din/Din entre le DAC et le NAIT XS

A+
Paul.

Et comme mon installation se rapprochera à terme de cela, me pose une question à l'avance : faudrait un 2ème HILINE din/din entre le CD5-XS et le DAC, ou c'est une autre liaison entre eux ?

Slt sebast80,
Juste pour te dire que la liaison entre le CD5-XS et le DAC NAIM est le câble numérique naim DC1 BNC/BNC qui marche très bien.
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Paul.

[sebast80]

Merci !

Mais ce câble numérique il est livré avec le DAC ?
PArce que sinon j'imagine qu'il doit être pénible à trouver ...

[sep]

Slt,
Ce câble numérique n'est pas livré avec le DAC.
Mais facile à trouver. BNC/BNC naim doit tourner autour des 250 euros (CTA ou ecranlounge)
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